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 <WRAP 30% right round caution>Check out the [[lep_agrippa_summary|summary of Camillo Agrippa]]'s single sword!</WRAP> <WRAP 30% right round caution>Check out the [[lep_agrippa_summary|summary of Camillo Agrippa]]'s single sword!</WRAP>
  
-LongEdge Fencing concentrates on two area of period French swordsmanship. Use these pages the jumping off point for our interpretation of each.+[[https://www.longedgefencing.com|LongEdge Fencing]] concentrates on two area of period French swordsmanship. Use these pages the jumping off point for our interpretation of each. Each page also contains materials used in training sessions.
  
   * [[earlymodern_start|Early Modern Rapier]], and   * [[earlymodern_start|Early Modern Rapier]], and
   * [[c19sabre_start|Nineteeth Century Sabre]].   * [[c19sabre_start|Nineteeth Century Sabre]].
  
-If you're looking for the [[http://www.longedgepress.com|LongEdge Press]] website and publication catalog, it's over here: [[http://www.longedgepress.com|http://www.longedgepress.com]].+If you're looking for the [[https://www.longedgepress.com|LongEdge Press]] website and publication catalog, it's over here: [[https://www.longedgepress.com|https://www.longedgepress.com]].
  
-We also have pages devoted to [[lef_class_start|teaching materials]] used in LongEdge Fencing training sessions. +If you're looking for the [[https://www.longedgefencing.com|LongEdge Fencing]] club websiteit's over here: [[https://www.longedgefencing.com|https://www.longedgefencing.com]].
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-====== Early Modern (Rapier) ====== +
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-===== Sources ===== +
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-<WRAP 30% right round caution> Each "author" page has a table listing the techniques in the text in a standard format. SoonI'll be pulling all of these into a concordance and doing some analysis on which techniques are the most common, obviously, core, etc.</WRAP> +
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-The sources which fall within the area of interest of LongEdge Fencing can be found on the [[lep_sources|List of Source Texts]] page, which includes summaries and some analysis/interpretation of them. +
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-The main texts for the current project, handling the rapier alone, are listed here for convenienceThese pages contain summaries of the basic actions and tactical advice in each text.+
  
 +===== Authors and Sources =====
 +==== Early Modern Rapier ====
  
   * [[cavalcabo_start|Gerolamo (Heironyme) Cavalcabo]]   * [[cavalcabo_start|Gerolamo (Heironyme) Cavalcabo]]
   * [[paternoster_start|Patenostrier of Rome]]   * [[paternoster_start|Patenostrier of Rome]]
   * [[heredia_start|Pedro de Heredia]] (who copies large sections of both and extends on them)   * [[heredia_start|Pedro de Heredia]] (who copies large sections of both and extends on them)
-  * [[dancie_start|François Dancie]] 
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-Other sources of particular interest include: 
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   * [[lep_agrippa_summary|Camillo Agrippa]]   * [[lep_agrippa_summary|Camillo Agrippa]]
   * Camillo Palladini -- largely a repetition and commentary on Agrippa   * Camillo Palladini -- largely a repetition and commentary on Agrippa
   * [[lep_besnard_summary|Charles Besnard]] -- a text describing the use of something like a proto-smallsword.   * [[lep_besnard_summary|Charles Besnard]] -- a text describing the use of something like a proto-smallsword.
 +  * [[dancie_start|François Dancie]]
  
-{{  :lef-coretexts-timeline.png?300| LEF - Timeline of Core Texts}}  
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-Andre Des Bordes provides a cute aside to the whole project as he largely plagiarised Palladini almost word for word. In addition, he's the only known fencing master to be executed for witchcraft. We play a dangerous game. 
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-In addition, there is a lot of useful info in later texts. In particular, Jean de Brye's 1721 [[jeanDeBrye_start|Art of Fencing Reduced to a Methodical Summary]] provides good information about how to think about coaching this material.  
-===== Research Foci ===== 
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-We're still in the analysing and synthesising stage of researching these texts. The process is three-fold: 
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-  - Understand each text in itself 
-  - Understand the similarities between the texts 
-  - Understand the differences between the texts 
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-Small essays on small topics: 
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-  * [[essay_quarter| The meaning of //quarter// ]] -- just a strike in //quarte//, a //volte//, or something else? 
  
-Current topics causing continual puzzlement:+==== Nineteenth Century Sabre ====
  
-  * The "long lunge" versus the "short lunge". Who prefers which type of lunge and why? +For //pointe// and //countre-pointe// on foot in the salle:
-  * De Heredia's "long play" versus "short play". Is this the same as the long vs short lunge? Or, is it the Italian-style "wide play" vs "close play"? +
-  * Does the "mathematical play" refer to LVD or to salle fencing (as opposed to fencing in earnest)?+
  
-The high-level strategy seems to be do something/anything to make the opponent move their feet.+  * [[armymanual_start|Ministry of War]] "Fencing Manual" (1877) 
 +  * [[brunet_start|Romuald Brunet]] (1884) 
 +  * [[rondelle_start|Louis Rondelle]] (1892) 
 +  * [[tinguely_start|Joesph Tinguely]] "Manual of Contre-Pointe" (1856) 
 +  * Alexandre Valville (1817)
  
-  * **Sword and Dagger**Thrust between the weapons to determine what the opponent will do then take advantage of their mistake. +For more military instruction on horseback:
-  * **Sword Alone**: Subject the opponent's blade to force them to act (advance, retreat, change guard, etc) then take advantage of their mistake.+
  
------+  * Ivanowsky (1834) "//Nouveau système d'escrime pour la cavalerie//" 
 +  * //Citoyen// Bertrand (1801) [[https://www.longedgepress.com/pdfs/escrime-militaire-bertrand-translation.pdf|"Fencing Applied to the Military Art"]]
  
  
 ===== Archived Stuff ===== ===== Archived Stuff =====
  
-[[LEF_OldFrontPage|This stuff]] used to be on the front page. It's no longer relevant here.+[[LEF_OldFrontPage|This stuff]] used to be on the front page. It's no longer relevant.
  
  

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