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 <WRAP 30% right round caution>Check out the [[lep_agrippa_summary|summary of Camillo Agrippa]]'s single sword!</WRAP> <WRAP 30% right round caution>Check out the [[lep_agrippa_summary|summary of Camillo Agrippa]]'s single sword!</WRAP>
  
-This page exists the gather a bunch of info about my interpretations in one place. It will grow over time.+[[https://www.longedgefencing.com|LongEdge Fencing]] concentrates on two area of period French swordsmanship. Use these pages the jumping off point for our interpretation of each. Each page also contains materials used in training sessions.
  
-If you're looking for the [[http://www.longedgepress.com|LongEdge Press]] website and publication catalog, it's over here: [[http://www.longedgepress.com|http://www.longedgepress.com]].+  * [[earlymodern_start|Early Modern Rapier]], and 
 +  * [[c19sabre_start|Nineteeth Century Sabre]].
  
-We also have pages devoted to [[lef_class_start|teaching materials]] used in LongEdge Fencing training sessions.+If you're looking for the [[https://www.longedgepress.com|LongEdge Press]] website and publication catalog, it's over here: [[https://www.longedgepress.com|https://www.longedgepress.com]].
  
------ +If you're looking for the [[https://www.longedgefencing.com|LongEdge Fencing]] club website, it's over here: [[https://www.longedgefencing.com|https://www.longedgefencing.com]].
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-====== Early Modern (Rapier) ====== +
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-===== Sources ===== +
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-<WRAP 30% right round caution> Each "author" page has a table listing the techniques in the text in a standard format. Soon, I'll be pulling all of these into a concordance and doing some analysis on which techniques are the most common, obviously, core, etc.</WRAP> +
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-The sources which fall within the area of interest of LongEdge Fencing can be found on the [[lep_sources|List of Source Texts]] page, which includes summaries and some analysis/interpretation of them. +
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-The main texts for the current project, handling the rapier alone, are listed here for convenience. These pages contain summaries of the basic actions and tactical advice in each text.+
  
 +===== Authors and Sources =====
 +==== Early Modern Rapier ====
  
   * [[cavalcabo_start|Gerolamo (Heironyme) Cavalcabo]]   * [[cavalcabo_start|Gerolamo (Heironyme) Cavalcabo]]
   * [[paternoster_start|Patenostrier of Rome]]   * [[paternoster_start|Patenostrier of Rome]]
   * [[heredia_start|Pedro de Heredia]] (who copies large sections of both and extends on them)   * [[heredia_start|Pedro de Heredia]] (who copies large sections of both and extends on them)
-  * [[dancie_start|François Dancie]] 
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-Other sources of particular interest include: 
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   * [[lep_agrippa_summary|Camillo Agrippa]]   * [[lep_agrippa_summary|Camillo Agrippa]]
   * Camillo Palladini -- largely a repetition and commentary on Agrippa   * Camillo Palladini -- largely a repetition and commentary on Agrippa
   * [[lep_besnard_summary|Charles Besnard]] -- a text describing the use of something like a proto-smallsword.   * [[lep_besnard_summary|Charles Besnard]] -- a text describing the use of something like a proto-smallsword.
 +  * [[dancie_start|François Dancie]]
  
-{{  :lef-coretexts-timeline.png?300| LEF - Timeline of Core Texts}}  
  
-Andre Des Bordes provides a cute aside to the whole project as he largely plagiarised Palladini almost word for word. In addition, he's the only known fencing master to be executed for witchcraft. We play a dangerous game.+==== Nineteenth Century Sabre ====
  
-In addition, there is a lot of useful info in later texts. In particular, Jean de Brye's 1721 [[jeanDeBrye_start|Art of Fencing Reduced to a Methodical Summary]] provides good information about how to think about coaching this material.  +For //pointe// and //countre-pointe// on foot in the salle:
-===== Research Foci ===== +
- +
-We're still in the analysing and synthesising stage of researching these texts. The process is three-fold: +
- +
-  - Understand each text in itself +
-  - Understand the similarities between the texts +
-  - Understand the differences between the texts +
-   +
-Small essays on small topics: +
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-  * [[essay_quarter| The meaning of //quarter// ]] -- just a strike in //quarte//, a //volte//, or something else? +
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-Current topics causing continual puzzlement: +
- +
-  * The "long lunge" versus the "short lunge". Who prefers which type of lunge and why? +
-  * De Heredia's "long play" versus "short play". Is this the same as the long vs short lunge? Or, is it the Italian-style "wide play" vs "close play"? +
-  * Does the "mathematical play" refer to LVD or to salle fencing (as opposed to fencing in earnest)? +
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-The high-level strategy seems to be do something/anything to make the opponent move their feet. +
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-  * **Sword and Dagger**: Thrust between the weapons to determine what the opponent will do then take advantage of their mistake. +
-  * **Sword Alone**: Subject the opponent's blade to force them to act (advance, retreat, change guard, etc) then take advantage of their mistake. +
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-====== Nineteenth Century (Sabre) ====== +
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-FIXME +
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-LongEdge Fencing is just starting to look at nineteenth century gymnasium sabre as described by the following texts.+
  
 +  * [[armymanual_start|Ministry of War]] "Fencing Manual" (1877)
 +  * [[brunet_start|Romuald Brunet]] (1884)
 +  * [[rondelle_start|Louis Rondelle]] (1892)
   * [[tinguely_start|Joesph Tinguely]] "Manual of Contre-Pointe" (1856)   * [[tinguely_start|Joesph Tinguely]] "Manual of Contre-Pointe" (1856)
-  * [[armymanual_start|Ministry of War]] "Fencing Manual" (1877)+  * Alexandre Valville (1817)
  
-Other authors to be examined as secondary authors to be consulted are listed below. Valville produced his text for the Russian court and included much of the Slavic sabre fencing. The latter two both trained at the Joinville Academy under the 1877 army fencing manual.+For more military instruction on horseback:
  
-  * Alexandre Valville (1817) +  * Ivanowsky (1834) "//Nouveau système d'escrime pour la cavalerie//" 
-  * Romauld Brunet (1884) +  * //Citoyen// Bertrand (1801) [[https://www.longedgepress.com/pdfs/escrime-militaire-bertrand-translation.pdf|"Fencing Applied to the Military Art"]]
-  * Louis Rondelle (1892)+
  
-FIXME 
  
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 ===== Archived Stuff ===== ===== Archived Stuff =====
  
-[[LEF_OldFrontPage|This stuff]] used to be on the front page. It's no longer relevant here.+[[LEF_OldFrontPage|This stuff]] used to be on the front page. It's no longer relevant.
  
  

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